Comments on: Amanda Marcotte, Call Your Former Office http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/ n. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:17:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: snark http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6307 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:28:54 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6307 Ending a prayer 'In Chist's [or Jesus'] name does not mean the prayer is intended for or represents only Christians. It's a sort of Christian 'Amen,' and Simon's offense at it is silly. At the same time, when the Lord's Prayer is said at the end of some (though thankfully few) AA meetings in New York, I remain silent. I say it in church, and I have ended my share of prayers with 'In Christ's name," but AA is not Christian and it bugs me no end when some fool says, "Who's father?" and the sheep begin in unison, "Our Father!" Anyway, there's a connection there somewhere. Ah, salami lakem. Ending a prayer ‘In Chist’s [or Jesus’] name does not mean the prayer is intended for or represents only Christians. It’s a sort of Christian ‘Amen,’ and Simon’s offense at it is silly. At the same time, when the Lord’s Prayer is said at the end of some (though thankfully few) AA meetings in New York, I remain silent. I say it in church, and I have ended my share of prayers with ‘In Christ’s name,” but AA is not Christian and it bugs me no end when some fool says, “Who’s father?” and the sheep begin in unison, “Our Father!” Anyway, there’s a connection there somewhere. Ah, salami lakem.

]]> by: Grumpy Old Man http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6297 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:45:38 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6297 The <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3644.html" rel="nofollow">Simon piece</a> is very unclear. It's not clear whether the objection is to the Christian <i>form</i> of the prayer, or to the prayer allegedly being offered only for the benefit of Christians. If Simon objects to a Christian offering a Christian prayer, which appears to be the case, he's got his head wedged. Incidentally, if a believing Christian prays for the salvation of all mankind, he's praying for their conversion, which is objectionable to some people. On the other hand, if a Jew prays <i>ve al kol yisroel</i> ("and for all the Jews"), he's <i>not</i>, at that particular time, praying for non-Jews. Some might find this practice parochial and offensive. Which only goes to show that in the eyes of militant secularists religious people can't win, anyway. On another note, judging by his picture, the Roger Simon offended by Sen. Edwards's prayer is <i>not</i> <a href="http://rogerlsimon.com/" rel="nofollow">this Roger Simon. A case of serendipitous Simoniac homonymy? The Simon piece is very unclear. It’s not clear whether the objection is to the Christian form of the prayer, or to the prayer allegedly being offered only for the benefit of Christians.

If Simon objects to a Christian offering a Christian prayer, which appears to be the case, he’s got his head wedged.

Incidentally, if a believing Christian prays for the salvation of all mankind, he’s praying for their conversion, which is objectionable to some people. On the other hand, if a Jew prays ve al kol yisroel (”and for all the Jews”), he’s not, at that particular time, praying for non-Jews. Some might find this practice parochial and offensive.

Which only goes to show that in the eyes of militant secularists religious people can’t win, anyway.

On another note, judging by his picture, the Roger Simon offended by Sen. Edwards’s prayer is not this Roger Simon. A case of serendipitous Simoniac homonymy?

]]> by: A.K.B. Cusack http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6294 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:27:17 +0000 http://larison.org/2007/04/24/amanda-marcotte-call-your-former-office/#comment-6294 Oh those poor people! "Feeling left out" and going to cry in the corner because the Big Bad Christian said a Christian prayer in a Christian country! I hope they remembered to fill the prescription of whatever emotion-reducing dehumanizing drug their shrink has put them on. But more seriously, did anyone actually "feel left out"? I doubt it. A sensible non-Christian would say to himself "Well, fair enough, I'll just leave that bit out from my own prayer". "Feeling left out" would, I think, demonstrate an overly-heightened emotional state or an oversensitivity which ought to be dealt with personally rather than coddled, appeased, and indeed fed by the larger community. Oh those poor people! “Feeling left out” and going to cry in the corner because the Big Bad Christian said a Christian prayer in a Christian country! I hope they remembered to fill the prescription of whatever emotion-reducing dehumanizing drug their shrink has put them on.

But more seriously, did anyone actually “feel left out”? I doubt it. A sensible non-Christian would say to himself “Well, fair enough, I’ll just leave that bit out from my own prayer”.

“Feeling left out” would, I think, demonstrate an overly-heightened emotional state or an oversensitivity which ought to be dealt with personally rather than coddled, appeased, and indeed fed by the larger community.

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